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bejjinks
I want to set the tone for this discussion. I do not want a political debate. Speak in first person, that is only say what it means to you personally.

As a circumcised man, I have been curious to hear from uncircumcised men about what that has been like. It's hard enough to find people willing to talk about circumcision but I find it frustrating that the few willing to talk about circumcision only want to talk politically.

These are my questions for uncircumcised men: Did you grow up as the only uncircumcised boy or one of very few uncircumcised boys? If you were the minority, how did you feel about being different? Was it positive or negative?

I grew up with confusion because the older generation was uncircumcised but my entire generation was circumcised BUT the older generation assumed my generation still had foreskins and so, the very few times the older generation talked about it, they would tell us we had foreskins. Therefore, I became confused about what I had that circumcised boys did not.
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Dynax28K
Ok, perhaps I can't speak from the personal point of a circumcised man but I can speak from the point of a partner of a guy who was circumcised as a child. 

His grievance was: "Why was he part of the lottery, why did he not have a choice just because he was a child?"  Clearly it was a lottery that his parents enter him for.  As a passive onlooker from an aesthetic point of view, there is little difference outwardly when aroused.  Apparently a guy circumcised before puberty usually sustains less scaring - nothing is guaranteed, it depends on the skill of the surgeon.  But the net result is reduced sensitivity and a greater dependance on lubes - why spend the extra (but he was worth it :-) )    

I challenge any uncircumcised male adult to allow another person to make the decision for them and take them to an operating facility without their consent and submit to being circumcised against their expressed will.  That is effectively what was recalled to me by my partner when he was a child. 

The more I think about this, this is a cause worth fighting for but maybe not on this Forum.

Freedom and Choice !
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DonQuixote978
I was part of the American "automatically" circumcised by parents at birth.  I didn't know that my dad wasn't until my 40's or so. The first "live" uncircumcised penis I saw was on a classmate in high school during showers after gym class who came over from the UK.

When our son was born he was premature and the doctor wouldn't do the surgery at his size - my wife and I were ambivalent about it so we never bothered to have him circumcised.  As a young, married adult he had issues with retraction and had to have the procedure then.

I have a 22 YO friend who isn't circumcised and has a non-retracting foreskin.  I've tried to talk to him to see a urologist, even shared some links to websites on the issue.  One of the two treatments is hormonal creams to soften the foreskin so it will retract.  I don't think he is trying that. He doesn't feel the need.

The other option would be a major trauma for him - his fight/flight reflex is such that if anyone even tries to put drops in his eyes (he should have glasses - nope) he can get violently ill and/or pass out.  Shots, same thing - when he was getting his shots for University he told the nurses that he was just going to lay down on the bed while they did it.  Apparently if's a fairly common issue.  He met me for breakfast one day and the door slammed on his fingers - he had to have something to eat/drink FAST to avoid the issue - fortunately when he got there we were next up in the queue.  He got some sugar and a large apple juice to work through it. 

He is gay and sexually active with more than one FWB partner - he's said it takes him awhile to achieve orgasm which I suppose can be a mixed blessing - longer time in the act before attaining climax.  I'm worried for him for the day that he has an issue with an infection.  No, he doesn't use protection.  His partners are generally not likely to be diseased.  He likes "Santa Clauses" - older, chubby men that he can top.

I know the uncircumcised glans is much smoother and more sensitive than the "deeply creviced" circumcised glans that is exposed non-stop.
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Aitor perez perez
Estoy de acuerdo. Dynax, pero en mi país por ejemplo cuando se circuncida a un niño es tiene problemas para que pueda salir el glande y eso puede acarrear enfermedades en un futuro, ademas de complicaciones en las relaciones sexuales. 
Se realiza cuando son pequeños, porque es menos doloroso que cuando son adultos.
Pero solo se realiza en los casos en los que hay algún problema con el pene, no por creencias ni deseo de los padres.
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PVogt
Being from the US, most males are circumcised over here. Like
DonQuixote I too was circumcised as a new born maybe 2 days old! I can assure you I have no traumatic memories of it! LOL.. Also like him in the showers in gym class all the boys were circumcised too. I think it was college before I saw an uncircumcised penis and honestly I did 
a double glance like "what the hell " before I realized what it was.
As a career I have ended up in medicine so as a health care provider ,
I have seen, on some occasions, some "problems" having foreskin....
cleanliness, yeast , local skin irritation and infections, and twice
in the ER I've seen guys that got their foreskin caught in their
zipper! Yikes! Now granted, that is only a small number of times
I've seen issues with foreskin..
I WILL say I have seen adult men in my practice that have chosen to have circumcision. And THAT'S where you hear the troubles, because it obviously is not a pleasant procedure but having it done as an infant
is a non issue. Not having any foreskin, I of course have no knowledge of how it feels, as an adult and know no other way.... so to me it
feels "normal" to be circumcised.
Religious practices of course as part of that decision too. Again...
all I know is all I know and that is for me being circumcised seems to be perfectly fine and without the occasional hassles I mentioned
above. I'm kinda surprised when I read the thoughts of guys that wish their parents had allowed them to make that decision when they're
older because you probably don't want to do it when you're older because it is a troublesome procedure - doctors skills aside, its
going to be a decent amount of pain for a while and the healing -
so your parents made a decision for as best they knew at the time.
However I'm not here to debate or argue the issue as right or wrong.
I'm just sharing my own experience. But I would say if circumcision
is going to be done to do it as a newborn baby.
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Ricky
I was circumcised at birth, not my choice and to this day, aged 48 I struggle with it and feel there is something missing. I agree the twins look lovely and are testimony to being cut and uncut. Sadly I can't help the way I feel though.
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Jarod
Pammy wrote:
well i am a woman but i prefere [sic] uncut... (offensive, overly graphic and explicit, text deleted).


Can we have no more posts like this please? It's totally unnecessary and I have no interest in reading such things.
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DonQuixote978
Here is the Google Translate of Aitor's post.
I agree. Dynax, but in my country, for example, when a child is circumcised, it is difficult for the glans to come out and this can lead to illnesses in the future, as well as complications in sexual relations.
It is done when they are small, because it is less painful than when they are adults.
But it is only done in cases where there is a problem with the penis, not because of beliefs or desire of the parents.
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Ricky
Jarod wrote:


Can we have no more posts like this please? It's totally unnecessary and I have no interest in reading such things.
totally agree, wholly inappropriate post! fair enough to discuss what it means to men to have been cut as project is all about inclusion but this post has reduced it to an all time low and is not what I want to read. 
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PVogt
To Jarod and Ricky- I think this topic started because circumcision was brought up in another section and a reader replied that circumcision didn't fall into that particular topic and to create his own topic , so the poster did. I don't think there's anything really "inappropriate"  about the topic, UNLESS Angus and the rowers feel this topic (and some others) are going way off base for their original purposes.  In the meantime, for those who don't want to read about this topic... well.... then don't. When circumcision pops up as the topic , skip it and go to the next. Not meaning to be a smart ass...just common sense, until Angus or someone at headquarters lol ... suggest we close it.  As I mentioned in another topic , I would really appreciate Angus' and the boys, input about whether some of these topics are getting way off base OR is this a really free-for-all  forum about a variety of things.
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bejjinks
Computer problems kept me from responding until now. (Centurylink of course)

I think circumcision is a perfectly appropriate topic for the Warwick Rowers forum. I only wanted it moved to it's own thread to prevent the weird entanglement that was happening from trying to discuss two completely unrelated topics in the same thread. I am very pleased with how this thread is going.

As for Pammy's comment, I think it's okay to let women chime in but they need to remember that it's our bodies and our decisions. For Pammy to tell men that they should not be circumcised is a lot like men telling women that they have to wear girdles. A man's body ought to be a man's decision and a woman's body ought to be a woman's decision. So I agree with Jarod and Ricky that Pammy went too far, not because she isn't allowed to speak as a woman, but because she was tactless in what she said.
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Jarod
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on this matter, and Pammy expressing a preference for uncircumcised men is her right. However, Pammy's pornographic post went too far. I see that it has since been deleted from this thread.
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DonQuixote978
Unfortunately it lives on in the post it is quoted in. It would be good if the over the top portion could be redacted and replace with brackets, ellipse.
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Jarod
Unfortunately it lives on in the post it is quoted in. It would be good if the over the top portion could be redacted and replace with brackets, ellipse.


I edited my post to remove the objectionable bit.
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NottsWill
Hi folks

I just wanted to put a few comments down about circumcision from my perspective.

Warwick Rowers is about inclusion which obviously means all different shapes and sizes of penis too. I believe blond Tom about 3 years ago was the first circumcised penis that I saw on here.

I’ll get to my point now. After trying other solutions I’m left with needing to have a circumcision myself.
Being from the UK the norm is to be uncut. I see cut/uncut as being as different as hair colour in that it doesn’t really matter.
But I’ve read enough comments over the years to see that a lot of people single out cut guys and almost treat them as inferior.
There is even a well known English porn site that only features men who are uncut (that’s my only comment on porn).
 
Some people talk about being circumcised as mutilation. That kinda upsets me and stops me from going through with the procedure as I’ll be ‘less of a man’.

When I watch the films and I see a guy who is cut it almost makes me a little glad. Not that he may have had it done against his will but for the fact there is acceptance of cut men, which gives me a little more confidence in perhaps getting the procedure done myself.
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